Feathercoin daemon and wallet production version 0.17.0.2

Difficulty Discussion - Fork Update - Bushstar


  • | Tip justabitoftime

    These are great discussions, I’m enjoying the debate/ideas.


  • | Tip Pathosverdes3

    Any update on the fork ETA? I bet most supporting people are eagerly waiting for the new Win binary to get things going. We are all donating hashpower but it’s still sad to see the “time to retarget” grow on the stats page. I am sure the big rigs can’t run burning away cash for weeks no matter how supportive they are.


  • | Tip Bushstar

    The code should be ready to roll tomorrow if everything goes well. Then we should look at a weeks notice before we hit the next difficulty which will give us 41.4% more coins to mine without bringing back the miners in mass. Personally I’m looking forward to being able to mine those coins without everyone else mining them before me. I’m mining against what I believe this coins will be worth in the future just like when I used to mine Litecoin for what I thought it would be worth in the future.

    I was mining Litecoin when I thought it would one day be worth $1 🙂


  • | Tip raptorak

    [quote name=“Bushstar” post=“3238” timestamp=“1368516769”]
    The code should be ready to roll tomorrow if everything goes well. Then we should look at a weeks notice before we hit the next difficulty which will give us 41.4% more coins to mine without bringing back the miners in mass. Personally I’m looking forward to being able to mine those coins without everyone else mining them before me. I’m mining against what I believe this coins will be worth in the future just like when I used to mine Litecoin for what I thought it would be worth in the future.

    I was mining Litecoin when I thought it would one day be worth $1 🙂
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    How will this code change affect sites using “p2pool” or how will we be able to confirm that the site we’re mining on has made the necessary adjustments for when it’s time?

    Just wanting to help make sure people with their miners going aren’t hashing away into nothingness while waiting for pools to update and such, without realizing that they haven’t made the proper changes yet.


  • Regular Member | Tip Markus1337

    Great work Bushstar !! 🙂


  • Regular Member | Tip Nutnut

    [quote name=“Bushstar” post=“3238” timestamp=“1368516769”]
    The code should be ready to roll tomorrow if everything goes well. Then we should look at a weeks notice before we hit the next difficulty which will give us 41.4% more coins to mine without bringing back the miners in mass. Personally I’m looking forward to being able to mine those coins without everyone else mining them before me. I’m mining against what I believe this coins will be worth in the future just like when I used to mine Litecoin for what I thought it would be worth in the future.

    I was mining Litecoin when I thought it would one day be worth $1 🙂
    [/quote]

    Hoorah!!! Good work that man…


  • Regular Member | Tip DeadZebra

    [quote name=“Bushstar” post=“3238” timestamp=“1368516769”]
    The code should be ready to roll tomorrow if everything goes well. Then we should look at a weeks notice before we hit the next difficulty which will give us 41.4% more coins to mine without bringing back the miners in mass. Personally I’m looking forward to being able to mine those coins without everyone else mining them before me. I’m mining against what I believe this coins will be worth in the future just like when I used to mine Litecoin for what I thought it would be worth in the future.

    I was mining Litecoin when I thought it would one day be worth $1 🙂
    [/quote]

    Keen to update my client 🙂 thanks for the update.


  • | Tip Radacoin

    [quote name=“Bushstar” post=“3238” timestamp=“1368516769”]
    The code should be ready to roll tomorrow if everything goes well.
    [/quote]

    Quick questions:
    a) What have been the modifications?
    b) After which block become this modifications active?


  • | Tip JesstersDead

    +1 …fantastic


  • Regular Member | Tip zerodrama

    The only issue I see is the fact that we would be betting on the fickle miners treating it as a dead coin while the believers scoop up a nice chunk. It’s not an unreasonable forecast, but there’s going to be more waves of people leaving BTC.

    I’ll make a demo program of my algorithm. At the very least, perhaps we can include it as future code that can be switched on via a command option.


  • | Tip UKMark

    Absolutely brilliant bush! I must admit the original (although incorrect) 21’ish difficulty estimate on the stats page seemed more worrying than the estimated 22 day wait 😃

    I was mining Litecoin when I didn’t have a clue what they would be worth, all I knew was my electricity bill was increasing greatly, but I sold them all @ circa $4 - $5, well I exchanged for BTC, and now I’m propping up FTC both mining and purchasing, except with slightly more knowledge of where we are heading.

    Looking forward to the future of our Feather! 😎


  • | Tip Feather_lover

    [quote name=“zerodrama” post=“3325” timestamp=“1368530297”]
    The only issue I see is the fact that we would be betting on the fickle miners treating it as a dead coin while the believers scoop up a nice chunk. It’s not an unreasonable forecast, but there’s going to be more waves of people leaving BTC.

    I’ll make a demo program of my algorithm. At the very least, perhaps we can include it as future code that can be switched on via a command option.
    [/quote]

    I am in favour of having a solution that protects against large mining power swings. We would be better off doing it know than after one year from now. On the other hand, rushing fundamental changes into the software can lead to problems as well (see BTC lately).


  • Regular Member | Tip jeremiel

    [quote name=“UKMark” post=“3332” timestamp=“1368532384”]
    Absolutely brilliant bush! I must admit the original (although incorrect) 21’ish difficulty estimate on the stats page seemed more worrying than the estimated 22 day wait 😃

    I was mining Litecoin when I didn’t have a clue what they would be worth, all I knew was my electricity bill was increasing greatly, but I sold them all @ circa $4 - $5, well I exchanged for BTC, and now I’m propping up FTC both mining and purchasing, except with slightly more knowledge of where we are heading.

    Looking forward to the future of our Feather! 😎
    [/quote]

    25 day wait right now… slow shrinking…


  • | Tip haxree

    I think part of the problem is using block to count until next difficulty change - why not use time. Or would that mess up the coin limit/generation rate.


  • | Tip Ilocans

    [quote name=“haxree” post=“3450” timestamp=“1368557323”]
    I think part of the problem is using block to count until next difficulty change - why not use time. Or would that mess up the coin limit/generation rate.
    [/quote]
    Why not a mixed ?
    I mean the first between 2016 Blocks and X days, Would this prevent this kind of situation ?


  • | Tip UKMark

    [quote name=“haxree” post=“3450” timestamp=“1368557323”]
    I think part of the problem is using block to count until next difficulty change - why not use time. Or would that mess up the coin limit/generation rate.
    [/quote]

    That’s a fair point while I don’t understand the reason myself, how would it be made secure? Time can be altered (well it can’t, but it can :)) - I suppose we would need some sort of timezone setting EG: CST crypto-time-standard too that the network adhered too otherwise UTC/EST/GMT/EDT etc would all get their difficulty changes at different times.
    But like I say I don’t know the reason why not…


  • | Tip Bushstar

    [quote name=“haxree” post=“3450” timestamp=“1368557323”]
    I think part of the problem is using block to count until next difficulty change - why not use time. Or would that mess up the coin limit/generation rate.
    [/quote]

    A newly generated block gets its time from the median time of connected nodes. It is possible to have a new block with a time before the previous block. If you base the difficulty on the network time is could be exploited to change the difficulty.


  • Regular Member | Tip aysyr

    Isn’t NTP based on what I guess is considered the source of all network time? Would it be able to get its time from that?


  • | Tip UKMark

    [quote name=“aysyr” post=“3466” timestamp=“1368561226”]
    Isn’t NTP based on what I guess is considered the source of all network time? Would it be able to get its time from that?
    [/quote]

    From what I can gather, it is easy to set time wherever you want to, ie: In the future or past etc.
    I know many years ago those 30 day software trials used to last forever 😃


  • | Tip justabitoftime

    [quote name=“UKMark” post=“3483” timestamp=“1368563839”]
    [quote author=aysyr link=topic=363.msg3466#msg3466 date=1368561226]
    Isn’t NTP based on what I guess is considered the source of all network time? Would it be able to get its time from that?
    [/quote]

    From what I can gather, it is easy to set time wherever you want to, ie: In the future or past etc.
    I know many years ago those 30 day software trials used to last forever 😃
    [/quote]

    30 day trials … .hmmmm… no wonder my clock still says 1998. 🙂