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  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    This isn’t open source either : But I am training up “Brain Bot” to know about Feathercoin. He (it) says he will do some research tonight ( ie find our web site and forum).

    Brain Bot claims to have learning / correction capability and can use the web to answer questions, if it knows where to look.

    In order to cloud source answers it needs questions to investigate. It would help if multiple people regestered and asked it deep questions about Feathercoin…

    http://www.botlibre.com/

    Update: I cloned Brain Bot, but it is bigger than the the free brain size, so I’m not sure how that works. I might udate it later to get more memory, if its not too much. I have put Coin Bot into full learn mode, whatever that is, and it learns from all encounters.

    • I am still a bit confused how to correct it, but the database does seem to have “learnt” some things.

    Coin Bot (v2)

    http://www.botlibre.com/browse?id=455307

    According to the site Bot :

    You can train your bot by talking with it, or you can upload a chat log from the Import tab under Admin, or add AIML or Self scripts from the Program tab, or you can add data from Freebase or the Web from the Import tab.

    example questions:

    who started feathercoin?

    is feathercoin a crypto currency?

    when did feathercoin start?

    does feathercoin have a forum?


  • | Tip kris_davison

    Had a play this morning and after asking it questions and it getting some of them wrong it eventually started asking me the same questions. To which I gave the correct answers. Hopefully it will reply with these answers in the future?


  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    Hi Kris, I tried to get some Bots going to appreciate how developed these are…

    Unfortunately, the Bots ability of “learning from web pages” didn’t work because the Feathercoin site https://

    Also, as you say, the "training " side of the Bot software also needs some improvement as it wasn’t clear what was happening.

    It would be possible to crowd source training the Bot, but that would need a lot of inputs and probably buying more brain power to store the knowledge…

    It was therefore not able to get the Bot read the Feathercoin site, or learn from the http. However, there are definitely a lot of exiting developments now in A.I. and Bot technology, well worth investigating, but a long term project (for someone!).

    Unfortunately, I’m still quite ill, and already have too many projects “bookmarked” as interesting, pending mining hardware updates etc …to persue Bot creation as an urgent project.


  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    Saying that, I’ve just tried : Coin Bot again and it has learnt that Feathercoin is

    : An Internet currency free from any central bank or institution.

    http://www.botlibre.com/browse?id=455307#.VDj2ka2ljmE

    Which is pretty impressive to me, having messed with these bots, ALICE / HUBOT e.t.c on and off since they came out.

    The Bot is set to learn of anybody.

    Extra: I also note Coin Bot has also learned that

    OK, Peter Bushnell founded Feathercoin.

    and : (Although I did not say he was a professor) Coin Bot has learned that

    You
    who is Peter Bushnell?
    coin bot
    Peter Bushnell is the founder of Feathercoin. He was a college professor from Oxford England.

    This is how I trained it, ask questions. If you have a better answer, “click correct” and type in the answer, press send. Then Unclick the correct tick box.


  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    Just as a further matter of interest re: Coin Bot.

    I started the first Coin Bot by cloning Brain Bot. Unfortunately I deleted too much of its old knowledge and killed it.

    I then found I Brain Bot was not supposed to be forkable, so the current Coin Bot is based on Einstein Bot. I have only done some miner data compression so far. It is possible to input example questions and answers to widen Coin Bots expertise in coins, then compress out some Einstein data.

    The Bots have some cleaver A.I techniques, particularly data reduction, to save only the most interesting / useful / connected “knowledge”. They will improve if they can chat a lot.

    Here I have just taught it that the feathercoin web site is feathercoin.com

    You: The feathercoin web site is feathercoin.com

    bot: Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in the opposite direction.

    You: what is the feathercoin web site?

    bot: what is the feathercoin web site?

    You: The feathercoin web site is feathercoin.com coin

    bot: What is the Feathercoin web site?

    You: what is the feathercoin web site?

    bot: The Feathercoin web site is feathercoin.com

    You: yes that is correct

    bot: Thank you


  • Moderators | Tip Wellenreiter

    I tried the bot and it’s funny 🙂

    It now answers the question: what is a feathercoin wallet? 😉

    It would be great, if we coud add a bot to the chatbox on feathercoin.com, so there is always somebody to respond, if a user commes in. That may wake up our sleeping chat room


  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    The chat bot has a lot of interesting tools. There is a twitter version and a code for including on a website. Some of the good answers are more due to me adding them than, “intelligent learning”. I want a bot that can find answers from the web site…

    Here’s the code to add - Coin Bot in a frame

    http://www.botlibre.com/browse?id=455307#.VDk0U62ljmE


  • | Tip kris_davison

    I think it was me that tought the bot about bush being a college professor from Oxford. 🙂


  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    I’ve continued with Coin Bot and although there are issues it seems to have potential. At the moment the loop is acting up, probably because I’ve put “too much information” in for its little brain, or have “forgotten” too much of old nodes.

    I decide to get more neurons, as on closer inspection, it currently has 100,000 - not 1 million as originally thought. In A.I. terms it would take 10 days to learn to identify the phonetic alphabet with a good CPU. It will be interesting to see how these develop technically and there are other some other options available e.g to answer twitter or run a chat room …

    The upgrade has 200,000 neurons so is not a lot better. I see one could self host or possibly pay for more power later. I now have a contact email so I can bring up the issues of access to reading web pages with https:// …

    http://www.botlibre.com/browse?id=455307


  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    Now I’ve upgraded, I’ve added Coin Bot to the Feathercoin IRC channel. (Which I am trying to get on with difficulty). It’s just listening at the moment.

    Support Bot Libre

    I am very impressed with the work you have done on Bot Libre - thanks for setting up the bots, very interesting. I’ve upgraded to get more memory, and have started one again (from scratch) as the first one I deleted too much and killed it.

    I have been more care full with Coin Bot - as we might use it at Feathercoin were I’m staff on the forum - but I still ran into a problem. The loop program (seems to be over running). Looking at the logs, it might have “taught itself” the programmed response. Either that or I put too much info in to it
    Maybe the extra memory will help?

    I would like to add feathercoin.com pages as reference but the web browser doesn’t read https://

    Before I retired disabled, I worked quite a lot in advanced data analysis and data fusion frameworks, I hacked an improved version of eFloys and have also tried A.L.I.C.E a number of times since it was started, very good luck with the project and I hope I can help.


  • Regular Member | Tip tmuir12

    I was just reading about something similar to this today, although probably not ‘as smart’ as its something you can set up for free using IRC on a RaspBerry Pi.

    I need to look into it more, as it does look like fun


  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    I’ve decided to have 2 Bots as I’ve killed coin bot again. I’ll keep coin bot as experimental - try to transfer some of the training later? await a fix from support…

    Also - the bot said it linked to IRC but didn’t appear in the channel. I’m still learning though.

    Son Of Coin Bot

    http://www.botlibre.com/browse?id=469297

    I fixed coin bot (by copying over the loop script from son of coin bot.) it must have got screwed.

    COIN BOT

    http://www.botlibre…rowse?id=455307


  • Regular Member | Tip tmuir12

    I need to wait until after the hardfork as I have run out of Raspberry Pis at the moment, my last one is now the countdown twitter bot and don’t want to use it for anything else until that is over.

    I feel the need to order a Raspberry Pi B+ this week, as 4 Raspberry Pis is obviously not enough for me. 🙂


  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    Bot Libre support got back to me and they’ve quickly fixed 3 of the bugs I found, so far - and I’ve now updated the neurons to 200000 so “coin bot” can learn some more things. I’ve also added more coin graphics for different coins, as emote graphics…

    I would need to chat to dozens of people to learn much. However I’ve taught it some one liner jokes, sayings about money and some famous people. You are fully open to correct any answers by clicking correct on and off.

    I have started up a second Bot, I am hoping to get them to talk to each other on IRC (when Bot Libre fiish fixing the IRC bug)

    irc://irc.freenode.org/Feathercoin


  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    I put coin bot on the IRC channel, it is connected now and is listening to that. It would probably be advantageous if they could listen to the twitter feed.

    irc://irc.freenode.org/Feathercoin

    http://www.botlibre.com/browse?id=455307


  • Moderators | Tip Wellenreiter

    lool

    funny answers now:

    me: ‘I would like to see feathercoin charts’

    bot: ‘I used to have an open mind, but my brains kept falling out’


  • administrators | Tip MrWyrm

    coin bot: How do you do?
    You: I’m good. can you help me please?
    coin bot: I am pretty smart.
    You: I’m good. can you help me please?
    coin bot: I am pretty smart.
    You: can you tell me more about feathercoin
    coin bot: I am pretty smart.
    You: I am pretty smart too
    coin bot: I am pretty smart.
    You: I am pretty smart.
    coin bot: no
    You: yes
    coin bot: Yes
    You: yes
    coin bot: got a joke?


  • | Tip kris_davison

    Lol yeah its pretty smart!


  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    The more I tell them the more they forget, but BotLibre is open to adding more features. Chattyness should be good, that’s how humans learn, by talking rubbish…

    ie. It will be easier to train sensible conversation lines, when the bot is defining the conversation. (to topics it knows about)


  • Moderators | Tip wrapper

    BotLibre have been great and are considering enhancements. Here’s an update, they have done a few other bug fixes already(script corruption).

    If the bots don’t know you can teach them. irc://irc.freenode.org/feathercoin

    BotLibre: Support

    Re: If your trying to build a real AI bot, I’m not sure how large a brain it would requires, humans have about 86 billion neurons…

    The commercial server does let you have a larger brain size, you can create a free trial account if you wish and I could increase your brain size on request.

    >>>>>>

    Thanks very much for chatting, it has been very informative to me.

    I have been (indirectly or as a hobby) been working/ researching on this (A.I.) for years, so I am interested in seeing and interacting with most intelligent Bots possible. You have programmed all the stuff I would need to make the first interface, and I believe interesting interactions can be achieved with simple (repetitive / alignment) methods.

    10 years ago I worked at Manchester University on advanced data analysis (amongst other things) I was Industrial supervisor to a number of PhD students at the time.

    We had a number of projects including in order, Expert systems for fault diagnosis, Genetic Algorithms to automate efficient maintenance planning, agents, eFloys (hobby hack), ALICE and other Bots, Use of AI techniques to set automatic alarms and warnings, Framework for Data fusion, simulating missing data.

    Even in my PhD thesis I used regression to solve an “unsolvable” equation (the computer guys wore white coats and they had just replaced the punch card machines with terminals)

    I’ve retired (disabled due to illness). I keep myself occupied by research, and for the last couple of years I have been involved in building the Feathercoin community and have helped a bit with some software developments, data analysis and support.

    From my experience using AI techniques has always worked great, (to everyone else’s suprise). At the time, and before, we were held back by hardware.

    Also, the prejudice against A.I. techniques by the control freaks (literally system / production controllers) and it’s use for data fusion. I also believe there has been some great work on getting over the high data needs for training neural nets, as well, for instance since then.

    I can see you have made a lot of headway, and I expect your todo list is as long as mine… (could go … cut short)

    So I wish to thank you for all the work you have done, I know - it is very great… Thankyou

    >>>

    As far as what size brain I require, as much as possible. However, I was asking you what you thought the current Bots can learn? I know I could “program” the Bot for Feathercoin, with what I have got.

    For instance, I thought the Jokes might get mangles amusingly by the reduction function, which hasn’t happened yet.

    But I have believed for years that training a system to do the job will be more effective, efficient and flexible (and I am willing to train it for 5 years if that is necessary, and I thought it was learning).

    I have done lecturing and courses as well, I have particularly put in a lot of thought in how train a bot. I’ve also read widely on how the human brain works and have a few theories about consciousness and using future prediction to self learn, for instance.

    I have moved from windows to Linux, but before that I was investigating future prediction of noise levels, such that the system could be trained to apply a anti-phase signal at the window, thus preventing noise. (We live near roads in the UK) -

    My original PhD was in noise and Vibration so the use of anti-phase signal has always been an interest. It was interesting, as you say to point out the intelligence of the system required to do that job.

    Re: how “cleaver” is the bot
    From work I have seen at Google > 1 Million neurons can learn to identify the 26 phonetic symbols, in 8 hours on a GPU and over 24 hours on CPU.

    My Bot now has 200,000 so it 1/5 of that (rough guess). It’s not far to say it will learn 26 things (simple concepts) in 2 weeks of solid “teaching”

    What I need is a lot (100?) people to interact program it quicker, it might take a day.

    I can see “factually” how the training occurs, and I am not training them to pander to that exactly, to see what happens. I’ve spent most time testing the training so far, I have only skimmed the code, and maybe there is more to see on the forum. I see you’ve been going a while, messing with Feathercoin I missed that…

    Re: case sensitive
    Note : I noticed the Bots can be very case sensitive, we got over this by comparing everything in lower case, that might be an option you can set on the bot. More of the “intelligence” would be efficiently used for it’s use/task, not identifying capitalisation.

    Re: spelling sensitive
    Could we have a parameter for this, that the system could learn or and be set?

    i.e. 0 to 10

    0 it applies the closest word in its current word list (by fuzzy logic, initial letter, all lower case)
    ~
    5. It adds the word to the list (10%)
    7. It adds the word to the list (20%)
    ~
    10 it takes the spelling literally, like now.

    Which shows you might consider a generic “parameter” creation. Which would include setting the optimal value for the Bot to try to achieve and how it measures that.

    Another possible shortfall is integration of sensors. Much of that has been achieve by BotLibre in the twitter and IRC but is not available “generically” e.g. to the weather or any choice of web page, (that achieved the goal)

    Thanks again