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@vigospqr
Not looking to argue. :) My guess is you’re likely under 30-35 years old, perhaps unmarried, still generating a career of sorts. Probably fine if you don’t have significant debts to cover in case of a “life event”. :thinking:
My view of cryptocoins is that there isn’t a shred of anything meaningful, physical or monetary as it relates to the real world, backing BTC or any altcoin. None. No real collateral whatsoever. (If you know of something, please show it to me.) The technology is open source.
If it all collapsed in an instant tomorrow, there would be no crisis in the world other than tears for those who lost their shirt investing large sums of money getting caught holding the bag. Talented devs would simply find another job programming something somewhere.
The only other real losers in the altcoin game would be AMD and nVidia.
But that’s my 0.02 BTC from someone over 50 and married with kids. ;)
Since last night/early this morning, all yiimp-based mining sites are offline and have had their wallets hacked… zpool, hexpool, altminer, etc.
— minor update/edits 1/8/18, 1/21/18 —
I’ve been mining UFO exclusively for the past 4 months, but here’s a miner test that applies to all neoscript coins, at least on CentOS 7 with NVidia GPUs. Four versions of ccminer that I know about, along with the new nsgminer 0.9.4.
This is the pc I use for all of my mining. I had everything but the GPU’s leftover from earlier builds for my kid’s pc’s or my gaming box. I chose the specific EVGA 1060’s because they were cheeeep (~$210/ea), have some OC capability, and can be modded to remove the fan cover easily and used with risers for maximum cooling. Yes, removing the cover additionally reduces temps in spite of already being separated on risers — these models have fans mounted directly to the heatsink, and are separate from the cover. Not all GPU’s can have their covers removed — some EVGA’s are fixed to the board and can’t be separated from the heatsink (like my old 970’s)…
All miners were freshly compiled on CentOS 7.4.1708 kernel 3.10.0-693.11.1.el7.x86_64 with gcc 4.8.5, individually with CUDA 7.5.18, 8.0.61_375.26, and 9.0.103_384.59. I didn’t feed them any special flags; they were all compiled using the given ./build.sh or autogen-make process. I could not test 9.1 as there isn’t a compatible driver for 1060’s yet. Also left behind v6.5 as it is not compatible with Pascal cards.
nvidia-xconfig was used to add the gpu’s to the xorg.conf, then coolbits was added so the fan and gpu clock can be changed. Option “Coolbits” “12” is valid for these 1060’s.
NVidia Settings control panel was then used to change PowerMizer Settings to Prefer Maximum Performance Mode Auto***, Graphics Clock was increased to +200, and fans were set to 90%. This maximizes performance on these cards (P2 mode; P0 cannot be set) while keeping temps below 70°C to avoid clock throttling.
Each miner was run for between 5 and 10 minutes until reported hash rates leveled off. NSGMiner was run longer, as it does not report rates the same way; I had to jot down the combined rates shown and average them, but they’re still only a ballpark estimate.
So, to the numbers (kH/sec):
ccminer-djm34
cuda 7.5: 3080
cuda 8.0: 3088
cuda 9.0: **
cuda 9.1: 3130 1/21/18 †
ccminer-KlausT
cuda 7.5: *
cuda 8.0: 2708
cuda 9.0: 2890
ccminer-ghostlander
cuda 7.5: 2818
cuda 8.0: 2841
cuda 9.0: 2862
ccminer-tpruvot
cuda 7.5: 2525
cuda 8.0: 2475
cuda 9.0: **
nsgminer v0.9.4
cuda 7.5: ~2100
cuda 8.0: ~2100
cuda 9.0: **
* compute 61 not supported - this is one of the newest ccminer builds, so it has newer flags
** compute 20 not supported - usually the scrypt algo chokes the compile, I wasn’t about to try stripping it out of the build
*** 1/8/18 I found that for whatever reason I was “losing” a gpu (or two) every 6-12 hours when I went back to full-time mining. Perhaps it was the updated nvidia driver version, which I neglected to mention — 384.98. Setting it back to Auto (default setting) eliminated the problem; system has been running stable 24/7 since then. This little bugger just ran for months on end last year when I put it together in the spring. My Windows 7/10 dual GTX970 box never, and I mean never, could do this. The only troubles I’ve had are if the pool/stratum hiccups or the house power goes out.
†Finally got the time to install compatible 1060 drivers with cuda9.1, and modified the makefiles to remove compute_20 dependency so the whole enchilada would compile. My first run was on 9.1 and it pulled yet another 10-15K per card over 8.0. The best gets better. :)
djm34 is still the king, even though it hasn’t been updated in 2 years. KlausT and ghostlander’s are a close second on CUDA 9, with tpruvot lagging and having old code incompatible with CUDA 9. NSGMiner was far behind; even though I report the combined hash rate for 4 cards, the individual card hash rates showed lower numbers in the 400-500kH/s range with occasional peaks to 700kH/sec.
(Edit 1/21: I need to play with intensity more with nsgminer; I’m not convinced the default maximizes things fully.)
What all of this shows is that your mileage may vary, since I didn’t try different compilers (intel, portland group, etc.), different gcc versions, different cards (too expensive!), or different kernels (ubuntu, fedora, etc.). This is just a snapshot, keeping many things the same. Hope this helps.
Excellent work. (Been mining it too.) ;) Looking forward to all the rapid-fire wallet/tech upgrades.
@PhenomenonOne I received the same canned response. Don’t expect anything more for a while, though. Last time I had issues it took days inbetween replies from them…
@AcidD Hate to pile on another request, but can you target at least El Capitan compatibility for the next official build? The 0.9.6.1 build cannot run on 10.11, so I’m stuck with looking at a yellow upgrade banner for a while. Did you compile on 10.12 for a reason, deps, etc.?
yiimp.ccminer.org, altminer.net, pool.hashrefinery.com all back online. There are likely others, but I haven’t checked them (or they don’t offer neoscrypt coins other than vivo or gun).
hexpool.com still AWOL. So: starting your own mining pool (or public-facing server of any kind) is one thing, but knowing/implementing security in the aftermath of a hack is quite another. That, and having cold-wallet “insurance” to cover losses. ;)
@doomtower said in New to FTC mining; issues with miners (in general):
If I’m to install new software, I’d need it to meet three criteria:
- Be compatible with Ubuntu 16.04. At the very least, the software has to have a Linux-capable variety or be cross-platform if developed for another platform. I’m not going to extend the goose chase to installing a different operating system ($/FTC isn’t that high yet!).
- Be compatible with Nvidia GPUs, or at least the subset of functionality involving OpenCL. I’ve tried setting up cudaminer; the CUDA runtime is so nefarious that it’s damn near impossible to install from any angle I’ve tried so far.
- Be relatively painless to install. I’ve dealt with enough frustration trying to get a miner to work and don’t want to fight the Hydra again if I don’t have to.
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And if I have to fall back on the second option, what software would you recommend that meets the above criteria (compatible with my system and easy to install)? Back in the BTC days the nicer pools would often release their own GUI-based Java miners that worked without a hitch or any fuss at the slight expense of hash rate. I haven’t found anything like that yet, and what I wouldn’t do to find that option.Once again, thanks for bearing with me.
In light of what @wrapper said, I still find CUDA-based miners simple to compile and use compared to AMD/opencl, so long as the code is kept tidy, and even in some cases is easily fixed (missing include statements, etc). There are pitfalls and trip-ups galore in compiling and using each, most of which can only be avoided by experience.
Specifically for neoscrypt and nvidia gpu’s, I run djm34’s fork of tpruvot’s ccminer-sp. Very stable, fastest hashrate you can get, and still coded with CUDA6.5 and 7.5 to cover a broad range of gpu’s. You simply do not want to run opencl-based miners on nvidia gpu’s if you can help it.
(Why CentOS? Stability, pure and simple; it’s my natural preference since I work in a data center. ELRepo repository has kmod-nvidia, so driver maintenance is dead simple; no more init 3 installs unless you absolutely need the latest-greatest.)
On Ubuntu you should be able to easily install the CUDA 6.5/7.5 toolkit (or both versions if your card(s) are suported, switching between them with the /usr/local/cuda symlink and an ldconfig). There are local runfiles or .deb installers available from nvidia, though Ubuntu 16.x isn’t supported yet the 15.x install should still work. Compiling ccminer just requires apt-installing a few deps (you may already have most already) and configure/make.
Regarding your hash not showing on the pool, sometimes it’s a mismatch between the pool config and the miner. I’d just try another couple of pools like coinotron or give-me-coins and see if they work (always have for me).
Since you’re running linux, you should know nothing is exactly “painless”, it’s just a different variety of pain compared to Windows. :) And, at last check, FTC mining on nvidia is >50% more profitable than the next best coin (ethereum).
All that said, I really really need to post a how-to for nvidia mining… “time… not enough…” :/
@flamer283 I’ve seen this mainly with tpruvot’s ccminer, and alexis is a fork of it. it might be something in the code that’s more sensitive to 1) overclocking of main clocks and/or memory, 2) cpu processing power/throughput, 3) miner intensity value set too high (or auto setting choosing too high a value). I don’t ever recall seeing a thorough explanation. :/
If you’re not overclocking, don’t have a wimpy cpu, and aren’t trying to set intensity too high yourself, you can try setting intensity to a low value like -i 10, and work it up until you see the error again and use the last value that worked.
@jimmy24651 said in Solo mining multiple machines to one wallet:
I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but I do want to share a FACT which I have found since I started solo mining.
I never passed any judgement in choosing solo vs. pool. My posts are still there to read, I don’t delete posts.
Today, I mined my 1000th coin since I started solo. The first day that I put the miners working solo was January 7th. I will politely allow you to do your own math. After you do your own math, I will politely allow you to come to your own conclusion about whether or not I should’ve chosen to solo mine. Regardless, I am happy that I did!! =o)
Pool: 110 coins per day. (That’s what you said).
Solo: 1000 coins ÷ 14 days = ~72 coins per day… :man_shrugging:
I’m not at all dissing your decision to solo mine, Jimmy. Look, you’ll probably hit some better luck solo mining and hit three blocks a day, who knows. I’ve merely been pointing out that the “blocks solved by you” stat on the pool site is just that; a stat, meaningless in a pplns reward scheme. At this point I’ll defer to the mods and call a truce here. ;) :grinning:
By the way, I don’t do windows mining any more, but if you’re willing to learn and use linux you could easily get ~780 MH/s out of each of those 1060’s. I’ll keep updating my analysis and can show how it was all done (when I get the time!).
Adding another site for UFO, http://blockeater.shardkeeper.com
He’s just starting out but has been trying to promote it. I put my hash on it for now, his fees are only 0.15% until February.
“You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”
― Daniel Patrick Moynihan
“Neither comprehension nor learning can take place in an atmosphere of anxiety.”
— Rose Kennedy
“I wish I had an answer to that because I’m tired of answering that question.”
—Yogi Berra
Take your pick.
@vigospqr
Not looking to argue. :) My guess is you’re likely under 30-35 years old, perhaps unmarried, still generating a career of sorts. Probably fine if you don’t have significant debts to cover in case of a “life event”. :thinking:
My view of cryptocoins is that there isn’t a shred of anything meaningful, physical or monetary as it relates to the real world, backing BTC or any altcoin. None. No real collateral whatsoever. (If you know of something, please show it to me.) The technology is open source.
If it all collapsed in an instant tomorrow, there would be no crisis in the world other than tears for those who lost their shirt investing large sums of money getting caught holding the bag. Talented devs would simply find another job programming something somewhere.
The only other real losers in the altcoin game would be AMD and nVidia.
But that’s my 0.02 BTC from someone over 50 and married with kids. ;)
I have three rules of Crypto-Fight Club:
@ag2288 said in Novice building a Mining Rig:
@bluebox it could be that Ubuntu is the reason behind my success.
Regarding overclocking it seems it will have to wait until I build dedicated miner as it seems that my “magic” does not allow me to change settings from nvidia-settings. I probably could change them from terminal, but I dont want to dig into that right now, so thank you for your help :)
I might try it sometime with a dual xeon/intelHD server I have and the 1030 out of my kid’s gamebox. I doubt we can get the fan+o/c controls to show up since I believe the settings cli and control panel rely on having the nvidia kernel mod loaded for that.
I did try other version of ccminers and ccminer-ghostlander is doing incredible ~735 kH/s :) Other miners are around 600 kH/s, so there is no doubt in my mind which one to use :) Now i just have to decide weather to stay and mine feathercoin or try some other coin which could potentially have higher growth…
By the way my I ask where did you get 1060 for such amazing price you mentioned in the other topic?
I got them from Amazon and Newegg. Last year they were readily available, though limited to two per purchase, so I bought two from each place, $215-220 each. These days, 1060’s are like hens teeth and cost a ridiculous amount (from suspicious vendors). I mean seriously — $550 for a 6160-KR?? :rofl: I ordered another Seasonic PSU to power my two trusty 970’s on the same rig; much better to keep using those than pay THAT kind of money for 1060’s.
1060’s were and still are the most efficient neoscrypt hash-per-watt option out there, especially when overclocked. Perhaps too many people read my ccminer topic… ;)
Yes, I’ve seen that before but couldn’t get it to work with my motherboard/cpu, originally an i5 but replaced with a Pentium because it was going to be a dedicated miner anyway. (I use CentOS too, not Ubuntu.) I do give up easier these days; you’d know if you have kids and thus no personal time. :rolling_eyes: :laughing:
If you can open the Nvidia Settings control panel and see the gpu in the list, you’re 90% there. The fan and clock settings will be greyed out/not shown until you add coolbits to your xorg conf file.
If your gpu isn’t listed in the xorg conf file, add it with nvidia-xconfig --enable-all-gpus (or just -a), then edit the file and add this in the Device section for the gpu:
Option "Coolbits" "12"
Then reboot and see if you get the control panel settings enabled. If you can’t use the control panel at all, you might still be able to control the fans from the cli, but it’s kind of an ugly command (I’ll go back to my old dual 970 pc and look it up). It could still be that you can’t access any overclocking or fan tools without the nvidia kernel module loaded, though; you are running it without a display driver after all. :thinking:
@wellenreiter said in Hey everyone :):
Welcome to the forum.
The p2pool ecosystem is growing for FTC ;)
Wasn’t so long ago I remember seeing only 6 or 8 nodes in that list. :)
@jimmy24651 said in Solo mining multiple machines to one wallet:
I have been using give- me-coins since I started this mining adventure, and I have been royally screwed…
I have solved 39 blocks for them, and have only been paid out 1,093 coins. With a 40 coin block reward, it’s not difficult to see why I’m ready to spread my wings…
Not to belabor the point (I think I answered you in another thread), but just because you are noted as the solver of a block in a pool doesn’t mean you get the entire block reward.
All miners in a pool contribute their hash power to find the solution, and are given a percentage of the block reward based on that relative compute power, a.k.a share rate.
If it wasn’t done that way, then a pool wouldn’t be a pool; it would be the same thing as solo mining.
You weren’t getting screwed.