\[design\] Feathercoin.com Website Redesign project \* Discusion
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And me, I want an Open code page where the new forum is crowd programmed by a 100 people and the best version cloned of to be voted with and made live.
The old forum still stand till the new one is “evolved”
Can we have an artificial intelligent Bot that we can train up to answer the simple questions, and do a feathercoin “presentation”?
Oh well, maybe next time…
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[quote name=“zerodrama” post=“43547” timestamp=“1386877965”]
[quote author=mirrax link=topic=5671.msg43536#msg43536 date=1386875977]
I am not contributing with any opinion as there is too much opinions already.
This new page will be a disaster without 1 strong leader with sharp vision.
[/quote]Let the democracy misunderstandings begin. #popcorn.
[/quote]That’s why you split people up in to teams. Otherwise you end up with a tyrant doing things without the permission of the community. Something as important as this needs consensus even if it is messy.
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Brilliant update to the Feathercoin download page, solved all the problems with finding the downloads easily.
Who did that - they need more REP++
[b]Constant improvement has been proved many times over, to be the most effective way to optimise a running system.[/b]
I am for small incremental improvements. Testing then fixing.
It is a common and costly error to do changes for their own sake, unless every other maintenance technique is not available.
One example I saw as a consultant was where the production department had asked maintenance to speed up a powder transport fan.
The maintenance man cleverly changed the size of a pulley wheel to make it go faster.
Fortunately, the mistake was noticed by the Engineer. There is a curve for fan air flow efficiency. The fan was set to run most efficiently at that speed. Speeding it up made the airflow slow down.
[b]Design out is the most risky maintenance strategy. …[/b]
I also think we should follow a software development standard.
Can we do that through Github? That is our best way to document changes and policy?
Peter needs to make some a Web site development folder, at Github, so people can (pull) download them and contribute patches.
[b]One way we could maximise forum member input would be[/b]
Each web site team has a Feathercoin web site A B C and members can comment? We pass stuff between teams, members can comment using “Your comments on the new web site” and members can vote up features. We use natural selection or breed the final site into the actual new site and archive the old site.
I[b] also agree, we do not port old data in. [/b]
Porting data can be a filtering Job as that can bring clarity and design influence, as important data is moved to the new site. The old discussions should also be viewed in their original context.
I would have loved to compare Feathercoins.com v1.0 to the upgrade to Feathercons.com v2.0. It was superb work, muchos kudos. Because so many ideas went into Feathercoin web site v2, and those were implemented by member hard work (emtimp?) there are actual complex reasons how the site was redesigned.
For instance, the idea for “Introductions” was because, too many newbies were arriving posting off topic. It was a brilliant idea, we can direct people to their destination in a complex and detailed web site. We can see if they know about forums, welcoming people in is more friendly and sets a cool tone …
[b]Document current web site at Github[/b]
Perhaps we can start by recording this current site?, reduced content (just main menus?). So we have a test sytem to trial potential features?
If this is organised correctly the “web dev teams” will end up have little web site work to do. It means they can be other skills, an Artist or copy writers editing. It will enable contribution by a wider population without the risk of failure (as patches can be revoked).
So, most work will be done in small chunks by forum members. They can contribute patches or the data so other members can make them in the discussion areas (Technical Discusion Web Site) sub section?..
There will need to be a technical person to sanity check any patches to the Github web site.
[b]Feathercoin has led the way in community involvement, let’s take it to the next level. [/b]
We also desperately need some members to get back concentrate on core activities as well, testing the new wallet client, the highest priority as far as I can see, after supporting new members.
I believe we are in a position to make real community action, by enabling everyone to get involved in the new web site enhancements, but also enforcing professional grade standards in the final product.
I certainly it is good opportunity for more members to get involved.
Hopefully there will still be a few Geeks members left as to assist in mining and support … ;)
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Some food for thought wrapper0feather. Alas my few days off work come to an end tonight, and xmas fast approaching I’m guessing much will go on the back burner till we are in to the new year.
Hopefully I can respond more to this post on Saturday. I’ve not had much experience of using tools like github but if it makes the changes happen fairly, more smoothly and efficiently then I am all for it.
Will get back to you soon.
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I not sure what you mean by Feathercoin 2.0, but I am sure I didn’t play too much of a role if anything in it. Just don’t want to steal someone elses thunder.
:)
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I think this could be an exciting development, it will go (very) fast enough if we set it up carefully.
All the best, I need a rest as well.
Remember normal times runs much slower than crypto!
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[quote name=“chrisj” post=“43587” timestamp=“1386880966”]
[quote author=zerodrama link=topic=5671.msg43547#msg43547 date=1386877965]
[quote author=mirrax link=topic=5671.msg43536#msg43536 date=1386875977]
I am not contributing with any opinion as there is too much opinions already.
This new page will be a disaster without 1 strong leader with sharp vision.
[/quote]Let the democracy misunderstandings begin. #popcorn.
[/quote]That’s why you split people up in to teams. Otherwise you end up with a tyrant doing things without the permission of the community. Something as important as this needs consensus even if it is messy.
[/quote]Sometimes.
Sometimes, a single person can do the job of 100 if they’re just allowed to go untethered.
I’m reminded of the story of the toothpaste factory that had a problem shipping empty boxes to customers. Understanding how important that was, the CEO of the toothpaste factory got the top people in the company together and they decided to start a new project in which they would hire an external engineering company to solve their empty boxes problem, as their engineering department was already too stretched to take on any extra effort.
The project followed the usual process: budget and project sponsor allocated, RFP, third-parties selected, and six months (and $8 million) later they had a fantastic solution, on time, on budget, high quality and everyone in the project had a great time. They solved the problem by using some high-tech precision scales that would sound a bell and flash lights whenever a toothpaste box weighing less than it should. The line would stop, and someone had to walk over and yank the defective box out of it, pressing another button when done.
A while later, the CEO decides to have a look at the ROI of the project: amazing results! No empty boxes ever shipped out of the factory after the scales were put in place. Very few customer complaints, and they were gaining market share. “That’s some money well spent!†â€" he says, before looking closely at the other statistics in the report.
It turns out, the number of defects picked up by the scales was 0 after three weeks of production use. It should have been picking up at least a dozen a day, so maybe there was something wrong with the report. He filed a bug against it, and after some investigation, the engineers come back saying the report was actually correct. The scales really weren’t picking up any defects, because all boxes that got to that point in the conveyor belt were good.
Puzzled, the CEO travels down to the factory, and walks up to the part of the line where the precision scales were installed. A few feet before it, there was a $20 desk fan, blowing the empty boxes out of the belt and into a bin.
“Oh, that â€" one of the guys put it there ’cause he was tired of walking over every time the bell rangâ€, says one of the workers.
Now the argument might be made that if the expensive solution hadn’t prompted someone to solve the new problem, the old problem wouldn’t have been addressed, but it’s equally easy to argue that if you had just put this one guy in charge and let him go, unconstrained by the process that had been accepted by the rest of the team as “the way to do things”, the expensive solution might never have even been considered.
Design by committee can work when all the committee members are experts, and all of them are working towards the same goal. Unfortunately, that’s simply not the case here, and realizing that, there needs to be someone who is empowered to make decisions and have them stick despite what others may feel is right. The opinion of a single expert needs to outweigh the opinion of any number of laymen, because the expert knows better than the laymen… that’s what makes them an expert.
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[quote name=“zerodrama” post=“43547” timestamp=“1386877965”]
Let the democracy misunderstandings begin. #popcorn.
[/quote]It’s not a democracy it’s a dialogue.
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I really do think there has to be a place for this in the redesign.
[url=http://youtu.be/0gNJio-Mau8]http://youtu.be/0gNJio-Mau8[/url]
It’s too good not to be included somewhere. All props to iawgoM. It’s amazing.
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Kevlar, the solution to that is design by hive. Hive allows the solutions to slide from tyrant to mob without creating a parasite class of oligarchs.
How hive design works:
Once you understand a portion of a problem, you announce you will be solving that portion and leave the rest to others.
Others can decide to solve the same problem as long as the effort involved is less than the average difficulty of the whole problem.
What happens is: easy problems are cleaned up by individual elves, medium problems get multiple perspectives, difficult problems get multiple committees, which paradoxically leaves pain in the ass problems to individuals because everybody else is already busy.
Redundancy can be offset by the experience gained and as problems get solved the hive disbands back into the woodwork. -
[quote name=“chrisj” post=“43621” timestamp=“1386890108”]
[quote author=zerodrama link=topic=5671.msg43547#msg43547 date=1386877965]
Let the democracy misunderstandings begin. #popcorn.
[/quote]It’s not a democracy it’s a dialogue.
[/quote]I’m playing off the predictable direction management discussions tend to go.
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[quote name=“TheTribesman” post=“43623” timestamp=“1386890641”]
I really do think there has to be a place for this in the redesign.[url=http://youtu.be/0gNJio-Mau8]http://youtu.be/0gNJio-Mau8[/url]
It’s too good not to be included somewhere. All props to iawgoM. It’s amazing.
[/quote]I agree completely. I added the video to my Crypto’s playlist on Youtube a few days ago.
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[quote name=“iawgoM” post=“43712” timestamp=“1386923635”]
[quote author=Calem link=topic=5671.msg43709#msg43709 date=1386922882]
[quote author=TheTribesman link=topic=5671.msg43623#msg43623 date=1386890641]
I really do think there has to be a place for this in the redesign.[url=http://youtu.be/0gNJio-Mau8]http://youtu.be/0gNJio-Mau8[/url]
It’s too good not to be included somewhere. All props to iawgoM. It’s amazing.
[/quote]I agree completely. I added the video to my Crypto’s playlist on Youtube a few days ago.
[/quote]Hmm…just one thing, and I’d like your advice about it - the background music…I don’t really have permission to use it, because first time I made this video there weren’t many people around here. But if you want this to be advertised a bit more, then I’ll have to change it…to something. Don’t wanna get sued or something :-[
[/quote]Here you go!
[url=https://creativecommons.org/legalmusicforvideos]https://creativecommons.org/legalmusicforvideos[/url]
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Yeah, either that or someone could produce something simple for it. I have stuff I could give for this.
But it would be easier to use creative commons stuff but yeah. I was unaware of the music…
Youtube is starting to clamp down on copyright claims and content ID matches now, so I don’t blame you.
In regards to updating the music, I think the feature inside youtube allows you to swap out the audio for creative commons stuff (I think its CC… not 100%).
I’ve done it for my video’s in the past. Load your video then there should be an “Audio” button, a music note, directly under the vid. (Provided your logged into youtube)
But yeah, if you redo the audio from an external source, just upload it next to the old one and links can easily be changed etc.
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Off to work… but a thought that came to mind last night…
Is it worth instigating a Github approach if we only have 2 or 3 folk who have expressed a direct wish to create and have a hands on approach to designing the new site? I feel the best route is to set up a WP or Joomla installation for each person wishing to design the new platform and then present them all to the community… then create a dialogue for moving forward.
Any thoughts?
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Why don’t we crowdfund an advertising campaign? :)
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[quote name=“FTClover” post=“43777” timestamp=“1386939502”]
Why don’t we crowdfund an advertising campaign? :)
[/quote] I love this idea. 8) -
I think, the way to go is like:
- which functions are needed?
- Forum
- news area
- wiki
- faq
- Market???
- ???
- ???
- which platform to be used
- joomla
- Drumla?
- xxxx
- yyyy
- theme design to be used
- basic theme
- modifications
- customization
The status of the different action items could be updated in this thread, together with some examples, e.g preview of the layout and theme planned.
unfortunately I have no real idea, how the work could be spread :(
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Why don’t you guys use Zoho? You can see and review things someone else made and keep things clear:
[url=https://www.zoho.com/projects/]https://www.zoho.com/projects/[/url]
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[quote name=“iawgoM” post=“43712” timestamp=“1386923635”]
[quote author=Calem link=topic=5671.msg43709#msg43709 date=1386922882]
[quote author=TheTribesman link=topic=5671.msg43623#msg43623 date=1386890641]
I really do think there has to be a place for this in the redesign.[url=http://youtu.be/0gNJio-Mau8]http://youtu.be/0gNJio-Mau8[/url]
It’s too good not to be included somewhere. All props to iawgoM. It’s amazing.
[/quote]I agree completely. I added the video to my Crypto’s playlist on Youtube a few days ago.
[/quote]Hmm…just one thing, and I’d like your advice about it - the background music…I don’t really have permission to use it, because first time I made this video there weren’t many people around here. But if you want this to be advertised a bit more, then I’ll have to change it…to something. Don’t wanna get sued or something :-[
[/quote]Very nice work iawgoM. While it’s always better to use royalty free stuff, I wouldn’t be too worried. If you have used some third party content, it will normally either go undetected and not cause a problem, or the owner can sent a notice to you which you can accept acknowledging the use of third party content. This will enable them to track the stats of the video, and maybe also ad some adverts to it.
